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Stichting Autobelangen launches proposal for a change to old-timer scheme

Oldtimer scheme
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The current MRB oldtimer scheme for oldtimers has not produced the desired effect in several areas. Partly for this reason, the Stichting Autobelangen has submitted the Oldtimer Amendment 2017 to CDA representative Pieter Omtzigt. According to Stichting Autobelangen, the adjustment of the measure serves the purpose of achieving a balanced and just old-timer policy. “The interests of the oldtimer owner are served in this way. The objectives of the government will not be lost sight of, ”the foundation writes in the amendment. Remarkable: those responsible propose to levy motor vehicle tax on vintage cars from the age of 30. A fuel surcharge for diesel and LPG vehicles is also mentioned. 

According to Autobelangen, the proposed legislative amendment contributes to the preservation and creation of cultural driving heritage. Furthermore, the hobby possession of all types of old-timers would become (again) accessible when the proposals are translated into legislation. According to them, the amendment is in line with European standards and guidelines for old-timers. The age of 30 years and older is the starting point.


Change to old-timer scheme is in line with MOT regulations

The change is also in line with existing Dutch MOT regulations for old-timers. Car Interests also states that the plans can be implemented budget-neutral. The Amendment also refers to the fact that there will be no priming effect (import) with regard to diesel vehicles. The age and not the year of construction is also used as a starting point across the board. Finally, the proposal does not have a "shedding obligation" or other driving restrictions.

Proposal Car interests in practice

The Car Interests Foundation suggested more. All passenger cars, commercial vehicles, motorcycles, camping vehicles, buses and lorries aged 30 and older registered in the Netherlands will be taxed with effect from this amendment. They then fall under the so-called classic car MRB rate. Owners of this category of old-timers would, in the plans of Stichting Autobelangen, pay motor vehicle tax per period of one year. In that proposal, the old-timer motorcycles are taxed at € 25 per year, while all other old-timers are taxed at € 100 per year.

Fuel surcharge

In the plans of Stichting Autobelangen, a fuel surcharge applies to passenger cars and commercial vehicles up to 3500 kg on LPG and diesel. This is then used until the vehicle reaches the age of 40. An amount of a maximum of 400 euros per year is proposed. As an option, Autobangen has also indicated that from the age of 50 the classic car rate will become nil. In that case a full MRB exemption applies.

Collection of the vintage car rate

The old-timer tariff must be paid in the Amendment per period of a full year. The first period starts at the start of the “date of ascription”. Owners of classic cars receive an invoice for the full rate from the tax authorities at the start of each period. For example, no refund will be made in the event that the vehicle is suspended, exported or sold within a current period (of 1 year). Furthermore, in the plans of Auto Interests, no old-timer tariff has to be paid for already suspended vehicles.

All proceeds in favor of the State

If the vehicle is removed from the suspension within a current period (the vehicle was suspended at the start of the period), the owner will receive an invoice for the remaining period. The fuel surcharge for diesel and LPG is -not deviating from the regular MRB- per month, quarter or year. Refunds are therefore also granted on the fuel surcharge in the event of suspension. This is also the case with sales. In the proposal no provincial surcharges are levied on the classic car rate. All proceeds go to the state.

Introduction of the vintage car rate

Car Interests also proposes that when this amendment is introduced as of January 1, 2018 - as a result of the transition from one measure to another - to be paid once for a shortened period. Each owner will receive an invoice from the tax authorities in proportion to the period from 1 January to the date of ascription in 2018.

Expected effects

In the amendment submitted by Stichting Autobelangen to Pieter Omtzigt, it is stated that owning and driving a (young) classic car will be affordable again. Especially enthusiasts with a smaller purse will profit from this, according to the Autobelangen Foundation, and will be able to pursue their hobby again.

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  1. The current arrangement is almost excellent. Only the group older than 40 years can also impose a storage obligation of 3 months and only exempt the original fuel above the 40 year.

  2. They can get a lot more mrb if they just get all the vintage cars
    from 30 year and older 100 euros for gasoline and 200 euros for lpg / diesel
    charge performances, and there will be no old-timer owner
    sleep awake with only 1 or 2 cars. And people who just have about 4 or more old-timers and complain that it is getting too expensive should be ashamed of themselves,
    because if you can buy and maintain such numbers of vintage cars,
    then you will earn quite above average, and then you just have a luxury problem.

  3. And another investment to the crap just like with the previous old-timer scheme

    It keeps on bullying people who have a hobby Who reimburses me the value reduction of my Oldtimer

  4. vwb that last comment: the government is there for the citizen and not the other way around, only that is often forgotten.
    A “daily” car as a condition seems to already exist in another country. (Is that Germany?) That could also be considered a reasonable alternative for the real classic enthusiasts. Anything better than paying for every car you own. If I have restored everything it would be a big financial loss if they are all out of suspension to keep everything in shape. It seems best to me that the foundation should use car interests and other organizations as low as possible when it comes to paying tax (s), because the government regularly shows that it would rather take a whole hand than a single finger.

  5. Nice all the rules and proposals, however, what one forgets is that it is only to the disadvantage of the real hobbyist. Most of them have 1 or 2 cars in addition to their oldtimer or classic that they drive daily and pay full road tax for it. I would almost say go for a full exemption from road tax for owners of old-timers who already own 1 or 2 cars where the full amount of vehicle tax is paid. Think of old-timers older than 30 years. Almost every family has a second car, so enough is paid for the road network. The Netherlands must stop trying to lead the way every time (no longer wanting to be the best of the class). Citizens have done enough for the government. Show the government something.

  6. For people with oldtimers between 40 and 50 years a very bad proposition, it comes down to me that I can pay 400 euros a year for my 4 cars! Why not keep the 40 years for a full exemption?

  7. The way it is now is fine, or maybe stretching it to cars until 1980, because until that year the most beautiful cars were made, then it became uniform and its models no longer interesting as a classic because of the look that has nothing to do with it. We are now used to them and it is becoming more and more expensive to keep them on the road, I am also in favor of working out diesel, making petrol / gas if necessary.

  8. 400 Euri per year for a handful of km per year can be called quite heavy. That whole system of the current MRB is monstrous and unjust. For years, people have been buzzing about cabinets in the car, where saboteurs can count on sky-high fines. The simplest solution, discounting the tax in the fuel, (almost) nobody wants to, while this method would still be the most just, frequent drivers and consumers pay a lot, those who have an economical vehicle and / or drive little, pay little. Yes, people are afraid that more people will refuel across the border, but on the other hand, tourists who come to our country by car or motorcycle will pay for our road network again, because sooner or later the tank will have to be returned full.
    I would rather see the MvF return on its steps and in any case make vehicles of 25+ MRB-free again, and there may be a small condition regarding use to take the wind out of the sails of the “abusers”. Another agreement that has not been fulfilled in the current system, the now introduced fuel surcharge on Diesel and LPG (should therefore not have happened), should be rectified (read: abolished).
    Furthermore, this rigid age limit for vehicles must be relaxed again, as there are still a handful of vehicles from the 90s that also deserve to be preserved and current policy does not exactly encourage this.

  9. All nice and nice, but all those interest groups are all licking each other. Then it comes up with a proposal and then that. That will also drive them crazy at the ministry and it may be counterproductive. I personally think that the Fehac can play a leading role in this, partly because there are also clubs affiliated with it.
    That you have to pay is okay in itself. But do something about those municipalities that each have their own rules regarding access to the city or town.

  10. @Frank Beeren: You say: 'too crazy for words that if you only drive 35 km per year with your beautiful classic diesel of 2500 years old, you have to pay a fuel surcharge of 400 euros'

    Isn't that a good proposal? Now you pay until he's 40 years old! That means for a Mercedes W123 diesel simply more than 1500 per year, in the proposal it is then 100 + 400 (surcharge) = 500. So cheaper. How can you be against that? It can always be better or cheaper, but this proposal is not that bad on many fronts.

    I would get screwed with my Ford Country Squire on LPG. It is now tax-free, with this proposal I would have to pay 500 a year. Well, that's k * t. But my 1948 American remains tax-free, on the other hand it is cheaper and more fun for my wife to drive a young timer on LPG, because you normally do not have a G3 discount, you pay quite a lot of MRB if you put an 89er something on LPG, for example, with this proposal it is not too bad, then it is 500 per year.

  11. Woutertje wants to fill his pockets a little more, later he will ask for a contribution again to be able to start a lawsuit.
    Great arrangement as it is now, but no, that is not for Woutertje, so let's have a test balloon with his mattie omtzigt.
    Where have all those contributions gone Wouter ???

  12. What madness! money lapping! leave the arrangement as it is. If you want to drive an older car every day, that is your own choice. that the car after 4-5 winters driving suddenly suddenly very fast away from you is part of this, just like the trade-in value. Fortunately my dyane is exempt from all that million-dollar hassle. As long as the government forbids clean alternative biofuels, I will continue to drive petrol. do you have a car from eg 1988 he just (unfortunately) a little longer in the shed. To suspend a car for a little longer there are also cheaper options: export and after 10-15 years import and re-request old license plates. If you open a mailbox company abroad, you can park your fleet (trucks and buses) there and then you can just enter the million zone.

  13. Good proposal.
    I myself am a classic car enthusiast and have studied law. For some time I have been thinking about a reasonably feasible, legally feasible and feasible plan and I have come to roughly the same plan. And to be fair: a classic car also uses the public highway and then an amount of € 100 per mrb per year is justified. No distinction is made here between a large Cadillac and a small mini, ie the concept of 30-year-old classic car is central. In almost all other European countries around € 100, - per year, mrb must be paid per oldtimer, so it is not that bad with this proposal.
    Completely tax-free driving as in the past is really an outdated concept.
    The only thing I can't agree with is the fuel surcharge for vehicles from 30 to 40 years old.
    In addition, I would like to see collectors being met as a supplement, namely that they pay a maximum holding tax of € 500 per person / holder for 5 vintage cars in possession or more. This way you meet the collectors with several vehicles, they can only drive 1 cars at a time and therefore they only make occasional use of the public road as a whole. These people also maintain mobile heritage and in my opinion that can be rewarded with a kind of maximun mrb.
    Finally: the environmental zones for (classic) cars must be regulated at European level so that in every European city an old-timer of 30 years and older is simply welcome in that city. Then there will be no confusion, as is the case now throughout Europe.

  14. sigh, they need money again, then just suspend and just drive and take the risk that you get caught for granted. Also saves apk again ;-)?

  15. Sooner or later, road pricing will be introduced in the Netherlands and then this proposal might not be a perfect but rather well-planned plan. Old-timers are not intended for commuting, but due to the proportional distribution of the charges they must nevertheless be taxed. Owners of industrial heritage pay a fixed amount per year, the rest is taxed according to the use of the car. You also prevent the envy debate that is so typical of NL. I see something in it.

  16. I think it's fine if I understand correctly:
    older than 50 years: Nil
    between 40 and 50 year: € 100 per year
    between 30 and 40 year: 100 € per year with fuel surcharge (LPG, Diesel) of max € 400
    younger than 30 year: normal MRB

    In this way, cars from 1988, 1989 etc, which are now outside the transitional arrangement, can also survive in the Netherlands in the future.
    Now it is impossible to keep those kinds of cars driving as a hobby in your collection until they are 40 years old.

  17. and this is about car interests? I see many disadvantages of this arrangement, as suggested by others back to the arrangement before 1985

  18. Yes, the 1000 and good old-timer owners have to pay for those few mostly young profiteers who tour around all day with their old-timer. I think a good measure.
    No more exorbitant prices for vintage cars
    I got rid of my old-timer Mercedes 230E last month because I saw it coming now I still have a good price for it, if I wait longer I won't get rid of it on the paving stones.

  19. If they just go back to the 1985 scheme, then everything was fine, now they are making a mess again, a bunch of newcomers who think they know something about something. What a mess.

  20. can you also translate this into normal Dutch so that everyone understands this, because I don't understand it for a meter I have a renault from 86 but don't know what they mean now

  21. Too crazy for words that if you drive with your beautiful classic diesel from 35 year old but 2500 km per year, you have to pay a fuel surcharge of 400 euros while you have a different modern gasoline car for all your daily journeys, for which you have the full blow. paid. Under the guise of the environment, the old-timer enthusiast in this plan is once again simply pledged financially. The Car Interests Foundation would only live up to its name if they dropped the fuel surcharge. An oldtimer is already a lot more environmentally friendly than a modern car due to the km limit.

  22. What a lot of laughter, we finally have an arrangement that (almost) everyone has adapted to, there will be a new system (at least proposal)!
    Time and time again those béterweters and where is it all about? POEN!

  23. My Scirocco from 1979 has been suspended in the stable since the new regulation. I am curious with this center left cabinet new this is what word. See Jesse Klaver not yet wake up for this.

  24. The intended collection of that tax, I think, has cost the government more than it has delivered, but they will never turn back or admit anything, and the environment has nothing to do with it, because if you drive a modern car 40 000 km you are still polluting more than with a so-called dirty car that drives 1000 km so has been a pointless change that has only cost the income and jobs sector which has again cost benefits and so on and has devalued all those cars, and no 1000 euro from Rutte to compensate and yet most of them voted for him who is crazy.

  25. Good plan,
    can the Chevy get out of the shed after 4years and maybe the loss of the miss 2014 will come to a draw again?

  26. your old antique car will also be compensated by their tampering, how many old-timers have of necessity not been sold abroad for an apple and an egg, we all had a blue envelope with the promise your vehicle is from that date an oldtimer and in a jiffy it was also really abandoned with the message that you could not grant any rights from that writing, how many companies did not go wrong, I think they sell too little gasoline, then invent something else around the greenhouse to keep filling, we are waiting, I will not get rid of my oldtimer anyway, and then as a reaction to driving in Rotterdam, utrecht or Amsterdam, look we all meet our obligations, we pay tax on the fuel disguised tax as transitional arrangement we must ensure that our vehicle is insured, and MOT approved all set rules, now I get a ticket if I drive my perfectly maintained car through eg Rotterdam d, I say let it come, then that volkswagen with their tamper-proof computer, for example, can no longer drive in those cities, no, if you are still waiting ff, you can only pay, and leave your pride in winter storage.

  27. The more rules the less fun, but LPG is environmentally friendly and should be rewarded the most. Border must go back to European level of 30 year, diesels caused this problem so they have to pay the highest price!

  28. ok good that they are working on this, but the problem of environmental zones in Europe is getting worse. every city has its own scheme and these do not match each other, an 30 year old-timer, for example, may no longer enter Antwerp. in the Netherlands there are also differences between, for example, Rotterdam and Amsterdam. my Mercedes 560 sec is not allowed in Rotterdam but Utrecht and Amsterdam are.

  29. The Autobelangen Foundation does provide a substantial amount of money to the government!
    Too bad these kind of half-hearted compromises! In recent years, the oldtimer arrangements have already been adjusted considerably to the disadvantage of the hobbyist. Incidentally, a tribute to Pieter Omzigt, who has enormous file knowledge and political skills! Now also do away with those damned environmental zones. How will “all this” work out when the motor vehicle tax is abolished and road pricing is introduced?

  30. well see store I would say !!! graft culture deoldtimer is always the cause of which politically wrong criminal decree therefore we as a chronically ill together 18 diseases and invalids are arrested opveral millionaire law, our old savoem sg2 mb 35 is so not welcome at the tax service and at the court inutrecht courtyards not with valys / regiotaxi / bus and / or train journeys are therefore dependent on our own transport tw our old saviem sg2 mb 35 approved apk but million is apparently a different moment as the taxes already tax free when we giddy up go 2, bought in 2012 but now we have to pay 1000 euros per year, unpredictable and unjustified criminal administration, where can we sign this petition ??? cordially greeting gisela and cornelis maarssen podemos netherlands sovereigns netherlands

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