The FEHAC too - logically - has since spoken out against the lifting of the Motor Vehicle Tax Exemption, relying on the results of the independent investigation they had carried out by TNO on the environmental impact of old-timers.
For example, the FEHAC stated that the contribution of the oldtimer to the pollution of the environment is negligible and the argument that the removal of the tax exemption will serve the environment will not hold. Because the contribution of vintage cars to pollution and CO2 emissions is negligible. Of all the kilometers traveled by passenger and commercial vehicles in the Netherlands, at most a quarter percent comes from old-timers (in the sense of heritage cherished by enthusiasts). Moreover, these vehicles hardly ever drive in the city or during rush hour.
FEHAC: “Unfortunately, old-timers have recently been put in a bad light by misinterpretation of a report issued by the Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency. Scientific, independent research that the FEHAC had previously carried out shows a completely different picture. Namely that the use of old-timers is so small that the achievement of the targets for reducing emissions of fine dust and nitrogen dioxide is not endangered by the sporadic use of old-timers. "
The FEHAC argues that it would be very unwise to end the road tax exemption for old-timers that has existed since 1994. The calculations made by the Centraal Plan Bureau on behalf of a number of political parties of the results of such a measure give a misleading picture of reality. After all, just as the CPB itself does not contradict, one did not take into account the huge number of vehicles that will be suspended or exported for a large part of the year.
Nor has the loss of tax revenues been included: less fuel duty, but especially less VAT and other revenues from the large old-timer economy. And companies will have to close or fire people. But the intangible loss may have to weigh even more. The pursuit of the hobby becomes very difficult or impossible for many, and many clubs and thus the social structures that have been built up with it will be lost.
If you can pay an oltimer you can also pay road tax.
They are better at tackling the people who drive on foreign license plates (many Eastern bloc countries) because they violate the law in all their circles and perhaps people can be looked at who really can no longer pay mrb to give them an exemption from income and power.
Piet, I don't want to attack you, but your first sentence is complete nonsense !! if you can pay an oldtimer you can also pay the road tax ???? I have a corvette from 84 for which I don't pay road tax. According to many, it would be a youngtimer, but it does fall under the old-timer scheme that we are talking about here. I skipped my vacations for many years to be able to purchase a corvette (not yet my dream, but at least a start). I have a family with two small children and my husband has to earn a living by himself. YES I have an oldtimer (or youngtimer whatever you want to call it ..) but NO I can't miss that 70 euro per month. ..
But what am I reading now…. I skip the holidays to buy a classic car? Your kids will like that. All friends on vacation, but no… daddy needs a pimp.
Just extra duty. User paid. Because why does a grandfather who tufts 4000 km in a year have to pay 45 euro pm for his Meriva and the neighbor who drives 35000 with his Aygo but 15?
Maybe this is also a possibility:
a reasonable number for old-timer owners
Kilometers per year determine what can then be included and mentioned in the annual MOT inspection.
Yes, how much more complicated do you want to make life? And if someone wants to hit the road in May, and who will oversee it? How many cans of civil servants are we going to push open again for this? The Dutch citizen is precisely that endless differentiation can go along with the government.
Am fed up with the entire government. everything is distributed unfairly, stupidly and short-sighted. it has become a mega-grabbing culture and it is only getting worse.
Let them go and get mega work, then all their financial problems will be solved. but they prefer to stop this country and take what is there,
The ship is sinking and instead of saving the ship it is being looted by its own government.
Good investing always makes you want, but this government will never learn this.
SOME PEOPLE MUST SAVE TO ENCOURAGE EVERYTHING.
WHAT GOODS FOR THOSE MODERN CARS, THE MORE THIS IS ON IT THE MORE PIECE CAN GO.
CARS ARE FULL OF TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE, AND WERE SATISFIED!
MY FATHER HAD TO PAY LAST € 250 EURO TO REPLACE A DEFECT DIMLIGHT PEAR! IF PEOPLE CHOOSE TO TRANSFER ITS CHEAP FROM A TO B, PURE IS NEEDED.
EVERYTHING GETS MORE EXPENSIVE (INCREASE VAT) ADD UP HOW MUCH WE ALREADY PAY ON ALL TAXES. WAGE TAX ROAD TAX EXCISE DUTIES ETC ETC ETC. I THINK MOST “PROFITORS” AS SOME SAY IT HERE REALLY DO NOT HAVE AN EXCEEDED INCOME. START DELETING ON THOSE HORRIBLE THICK BONUSES WITH BONUSES ON BONUSES AND THEN TAKE TO CUSTOMIZE THE WEAKER PEOPLE. MOSTLY PEOPLE WORK FOR LESS WAGE HARDER THAN INSANE MAIN PRIZE EARNERS. NO DO YOU KNOW WHAT WILL WE GIVE ANOTHER BILLIONS TO CORRUPT COUNTRIES? I MYSELF WORK HARD FOR A MINIMUM WAGE. AND YES I DRIVE AN OLD VOLKSWAGEN JETTA DIESEL. I WOULD LIKE TO LEAVE A VERY TINY BIT AT THE END OF THE MOON.
The problem is easy to solve blue plates for people who want to drive tax-free.
only June, July and August unlimited outside only on weekends.
normal yellow plates for people who want to drive unlimited and therefore pay the full tax.
Most REAL old-timer enthusiasts agree with this.
brilliant in all its simplicity and practicality! 100% agree!
sheer nonsense why may I not drive in May or September ???? Should that also be arranged ?? it starts to look very much like the ex Soviet Union !!!!
What a good idea. And then we also make a distinction between, for example, being born before or after 1 April 1953 and whether people live on the second or third floor. Then we also had to check a lot of important work for a whole bunch of extra civil servants while maintaining benefits.
Slowly action from all directions to The Hague together with all groups of old-timer drivers. Criticize everything and anything from the comfort of your armchair. That is the reason that the political traitors get everything done and implement it here. You are kept sweet here by being allowed to swear on the prime minister, but nothing else is allowed, a prime example of modern communism.
Next government gives everyone a piece of land where you can sow and harvest your own food. I think that I will use my Dikke Benz as a tractor.8-)
You could have thought of this when you started voting so don't complain!
Only Dutch classics exemption and not that import stuff.
Easy heh those open doors. From which party did you know that they were definitely not going to do this? I only knew where they were going to do it, namely: Groenlinks, PvdA, D66 and ChristenUnie.
I did not vote for that.
http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2012/09_september/07/binnenland/over-veel-maatregelen-zijn-partijen-het-al-eens.xml
In addition, as far as I am concerned, all classics are classics. What do you mean only Dutch?
You certainly also only find Dutch hardworking people and not immigrants? From now on, think about 2 seconds longer before you post!
that's how it is
Don't demolish them, see this story
http://www.froot.nl/posttype/froot/article/de-autos-uit-de-schuur-waargebeurd/
That they do this ridiculous !!! let them tax cars that are now being imported but the cars that are now there .. leave them alone then everyone is happy there are no more cars and the lover can keep his car. Everyone happy
Let those foreign trucks pay toll. They destroy our roads and emit 1000 times more soot / subtle material than those few old-timers that drive on Dutch roads on a beautiful day. It's that left-wing environmental lobby that has done this.
They are unreliable bastards, I voted for Rutte and I feel cheated in the least.
One thing is for sure, this is downright bad for the economy. And as written before, what should I do with my car? Keeping it is priceless, selling is not possible, nobody wants it and demolition is a shame, but actually the only thing left!
You should have known that. Rutte is a big liar. For weeks we were able to see posters that stated in cool letters that “the Dutchman deserves a tax reduction” while it was clear that almost all taxes would go up. Thanks to that fine VVD. The same lies about the HRA that Rutte “didn't want to change anything about” because that would be unreliable ”The entire Dutch politics is one continuous representation of bad artists who can only do one thing: rake as much money as possible
just a little 1 response, then I will stop, because believe it, it will continue. a democratic country, don't make me laugh. but so my response: wilders woke up this week. he said, let all poles and other foreigners who use our roads here and drive broken roads pay road taxes. hehe finally, and stay away from us, old-timer enthusiasts.
I myself am an olds cutlass supreme that is currently being restored tomorrow I am going to call the people who finish it for me that they can stop it, because if this continues I cannot pay this (after 6000e stopped) last year. I would like to drop this car off without a roof in the middle of the highway, say where and when!
I think you should push this project into the courtyard and set it on fire there. You can then simultaneously hand one of our political dwarfs an overview of all the trade that has been destroyed. I say is intentional and not “will” because the messages are already causing damage. Perhaps those dicks will then realize that they are nowhere near raking in the intended money because they cannot count.
The plan is completely insane. It does not generate money for the state treasury, but costs jobs, many jobs in the already poorly running car world.
An airplane that has to fly an extra round because it cannot land at Schiphol pollutes more than a lot of old-timers.
Perhaps a tip for this government that does not care about historical norms and values. Simply sell the Muiderslot, Rijksmuseum and Binnenhof. Make nice apartments out of it and that delivers a lot.
Well wait a minute but how it turns out, if you looked around you saw it coming. All of a sudden all smoking waves and mercedesses from just 25 years and all barrels.
No real enthusiasts but just a nice cheap alternative. Those are the culprits.
A true enthusiast has a classic car in good condition and often valued too. All-risk insured and stored in winter.
That is the true enthusiast, an arrangement must be possible for that group.
And yes, away with that old smoking junk.
I may have invested 12 euros in my Buick in the last 15000 year. Valuation value 12000 and all risk insured. I have been a true enthusiast for more than 25 years.
We won't let this take us away?
Unfortunately, the wise people from The Hague have found us. Another already empty bottle where maybe one more drop can be squeezed out. Nothing seems sacred anymore in this country, where you are led to the slaughter for your hobby. For what? It won't make serious money, will it? Then there is more to be gained in bonuses and 'with over 50 in the early retirement' country. You will be lucky enough to have a collection of motorcycles, all of which are allowed on the road once a year and which are then looked at and responded to with respect and enthusiasm, by people on the street. I hope that politicians will come to their senses and come up with a better thought-out alternative here. To make the exemption disappear in one go tends to be theft. After all, the value of your classics decreases because the sales market is much smaller.
Unreliable government, 1 European old-timer scheme 30 year exemption would solve all problems, so off to Brussels!
Nothing is as unreliable as our government. We fall from one surprise to the other. The one time it is like that again, a nut in The Hague who after an accidental explosion of an LPG car, thinks that LPG should be abolished. A colleague Oetlul calculated at the same time that it would generate several extra millions. The sale of LPG installations was almost stopped.
Not long ago, a CU troela who also thought that this exemption should be abolished. Sales fell immediately. You can fill books with such examples. This country needs stability, tranquility and clarity, but our political dwarfs don't seem to realize that.
Often it is only rumors from The Hague that put a huge brake on the economy. Our political dwarfs in The Hague have now, not even one year after the last change, even made up the plan. We first have to see it again, but for the time being, the first damage has already been done. We are currently in uncertainty again. And let that be the last thing we're shy about
Our surrounding countries, be-du-fr, already have an 30 year arrangement, ned is eur, union but Rutte 2
gives z, n smug but a thief and hunts here in ned, everybody on tilt, and what do they achieve, that
ned. goes to hell and nothing more !!!!
greetings pierre
I think it is downright bastard what this government has in mind, one hobby after the other is being turned around, everything is taxed / made impossible, I agree very much with Peer and a3 all over the hague, or important economic / completely secure political junctions with real classics.
What about collecting signatures?
The large left-wing rascals have a majority, but if a certain number of signatures is voted against a proposal, then we as an audience can do something?
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Have an 911 from 1987 yourself; First there was the rule that until 1986 tax became free and further not.
Then came the transitional arrangement, there was hope that my 911 tax was also released in 2013, but unfortunately new left-wing environmentalist in the government. So I pay 600 euros again per year for 2000 hobby kilometers.
Hello mr Hekkelman, too bad you have to pay that 600. But if you drive like that… .. Mummie. I would also pay 600 for it. And you must be an enthusiast, otherwise you would have an 86.
The problem is caused by everyone who drives in old shit every day. I sometimes get annoyed when I have to brake for such an old cheap bastard while I tick 2700 a year for 1 car.
But that will be even more with the 11500 kg diesel that I have with it. I have not yet looked at what it should cost ...
Considers it a misguided plan and decide if it goes ahead. Have an Opel Admiral with gas that weighs 1664 kg on license plate which will cost € 1880,00 per year in MRB and a Volvo 245 from 1982 on gas and it weighs 1316 kg and costs € 1332,00 per year in the MRB. Comes to € 3212,00. Both cars are hobby cars. My wife doesn't have a driver's license and I take the train and metro to work every day. If politicians continue their senses, I will remove the gas installations and continue driving the Volvo on petrol (nice for the environment) and the Opel will be suspended and only drive in the summer. And maybe I will take the decision to convert my Volvo to an electric version, this has recently been done and approved by the RDW.
I would not do that because then there is bound to be a new tax for electric cars by the government, a waste of money !!!
have a renegade jeep with lpg. get on the road about 10 times a year for a tour. now I would pay around 1650 euros a year. real madness. even last year when I bought it, I had a black and white letter from the tax authorities saying that the car was free of road tax.
doesn't want to sell it, because I enjoy it a lot. also the money that you get back is minimally halved. is your hobby even being taken? let me know if there will be any promotions. I put my jeep across the a27
Chevypeer: as easy-going sheep do we let ourselves be brought to the slaughter? With the drama of the gray badge just behind osn, it is now time for action. If we want attention, we have to block Randstad for a few days. Classic car owners united U.
I have several old-timers for my hobby that I can pay thanks to the tax exemption!
I buy a lot of parts, is good for the economy !, I have 2 running on LPG, good for the environment! and by my hobby also keep several people working!
Why do we have to be punished for that now?
And, are you all happy with your voice from a few weeks ago? And with Rutte's many lies (“The Dutchman deserves a tax reduction”)? The Netherlands has been raped for tax purposes, which means that car owners are outlaws. Not only a quarter of the modal net daily income in the parking meter, but also working a month a year for the BPM on your car alone. If it is an average diesel car, you can even work for another month for the wicked HOUSEHOLD TAX. Even paying not to drive and being overloaded with fines because the Treasury Department has to cut back. Around Amsterdam raids are underway to rake in as much money as possible. In a tax-raped country like ours, we don't have to rely on effective and sensible regulation, let alone just. And every day you wake up, it is another surprise what The Hague has invented.
Simply link the MRB exemption for old-timers to owning a daily car for which MRB is paid. If you drive an old-timer every day, you pay the normal MRB rate for that car, if you have more than one, they fall under the exemption scheme. This keeps the enthusiasts / collectors away from measures intended to prevent daily use due to the supposed financial benefits! If you want to drive and keep track of an old-timer every day, that is by definition no cheaper than any fuel-efficient car.
You get sick of these people who want to abolish the mrb, it is time for us to act together against this government, it is rats, giving away billions, and removing it from the citizen who is still working.
Maybe it's an idea to put an 40 km sign on the oldtimer, no more taxes, but again traffic jams.
fri gr. B de Haas.
I have a restored Chevrolet pick up truck myself. In 13 years I have invested a lot of money and literally blood, sweat and tears. If the exemption is lifted, I will be forced to sell my car like many others. Prices are falling and who wants to buy it at all? You will not lose them to the pavers anymore, only the rich can afford such a car. It is not only my means of transport but also my hobby, passion and an investment. I am really furious !!!
I have a Citroen DSuper on LPG. I drive a maximum of 3.000 km per year with that. Suppose the exemption is lifted and the excise duty on LPG is increased. I will go in approx. Pay 1.400 Euro road tax. I demolished the LPG tank, 700 Euro. Assuming that the difference in price between gasoline and LPG remains 1 Euro and that the lady uses LPG as much as gasoline (1 on 10), then the turning point is at 7000 Km. In short, LPG tank out = 400 Euro costs less per year. But more co2 emissions, of course.