Definitive: Stichting Autobelangen institutes legal proceedings against the State

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Wouter van Embden was not happy with the reports from the Tax Authorities about the number of objections to the oldtimer scheme. Various national media took over the unfounded reporting one on one.
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Stichting Autobelangen definitively institutes legal proceedings against the State. At the beginning of February, the state lawyer is summoned and the procedure is started, which is expected to take a year. Shortly after the acceptance of the modified old-timer scheme, the club of Wouter van Embden started a new campaign to collect enough financial resources to be able to go to court. In a personal conversation with Auto Motor Klassiek Van Embden explained that the supporters of owners have brought together the necessary resources to take the first steps in the process. “Not only now, but also in the future, everyone must participate. This is necessary to strengthen the lawsuit against the State. "

Wouter van Embden is happy that the trial can be started. "The unfair and unjust measure must go."
Wouter van Embden is happy that the trial can be started. “The unfair and unjust measure must go. We desperately need the support of our supporters. "

Immediate action after approval of the tightened MRB scheme by the Senate
After the Senate gave its approval to the tightened old-timer scheme on December 18, Stichting Autobelangen took immediate action. Because the well-functioning Van Vliet Amendment - with a transitional arrangement that ran until 2021 - was already discarded after ten months in favor of a harmful, disproportionate and unjust measure. Stichting Autobelangen decided to take immediate action in the pursuit of a lawsuit against the State. Initiator Wouter Van Embden says: “We immediately drew attention to the fact that we are not going to let it go. The rank and file were given the opportunity to fill in an authorization via our website for financial support for our endeavor. And the promises that have been received indicate that there is still a lot of faith within the constituency to reverse this measure in its entirety. In any case, we have enough money to start the lawsuit. ”

"Weekers blocks legal proceedings"
The spokesperson and initiator of the Oldtimer driver's action also says that State Secretary Frans Weekers blocked the possibility for Stichting Autobelangen to make use of the “Mass Objection Procedure”. In this procedure it is possible to lodge a collective objection, so that not everyone has to file a notice of objection against a decision individually. Van Embden: “This blockade  so the Tax Authorities provide extra work. Because tens of thousands of old-timer owners will now submit separate objections that must be dealt with separately. "

Distribution and rule principle important starting point for State Secretary
Van Embden expressed more criticism of the department and its Secretary of State. “Weekers don't shy away from anything. He impedes us in the judicial process. It is the world upside down, because we have demonstrated that the exemption measure was partly based on incorrect calculations by the Ministry. In the meantime, he throws the citizen's money over the bar to drive his way. "Van Embden continues:" The divide and rule principle has also been an important starting point for Weekers.  Petrol drivers on the one hand and affected drivers of a car running on Diesel or LPG are played against each other. And that is contrary to proportionality. "

Mr Tom Barkhuysen from Stibbe Advocaten will assist the Autobelangen Foundation during the court case against the State
Mr Tom Barkhuysen from Stibbe Advocaten will assist the Autobelangen Foundation during the court case. The State lawyer of the State is summoned at the beginning of February.

Happy with the opportunity to sue
Not only the disproportionality, but also the fact that the owner is confronted with a change for the third time in four years is an important point for the lawsuit to be brought. In addition, the lack of the usefulness and necessity of the measure in financial and environmental terms is important. Van Embden continues his argument: “The rights of the affected classic car owner are simply being flouted. Thanks to the support of our constituents, we can now start the lawsuit together with our legal partner Stibbe Advocaten. We are pleased with this because we want to get rid of this unjust and disproportionate measure. And give the owner and sector a renewed perspective. That is not to say that we won the lawsuit in advance. If the court does not issue a positive advice on the basis of the procedure, we will investigate the options and means to go to the Supreme Court. We may be able to walk that route 'quickly' without the intervention of other judicial bodies via a leap-cassation. ”

Regardless of fuel category, everyone must participate
“But”, continues Van Embden, “of course we want to convince the judge as soon as possible that we are right. We need everyone for that. That is why we emphasize that any affected owner of a vehicle from 26 to 40 years old - regardless of the fuel category the car / motorcycle falls into - can join us and continue to support us. By later submitting an objection to the tax authorities. By continuing to donate. So that we can continue to work for the owner and the sector and can also conduct further research into many undesirable effects of the measure. ”

Supporters continue to be desperately needed
Finally, Van Embden says: "We therefore need our supporters not only now, but also in the future, also in order to be able to anticipate the next steps in the legal case that we will set out as precisely as possible."

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129 comments

  2. The first Land Rovers from the Netherlands are already for sale on the German Ebay.
    What a waste ! The Germans are laughing to themselves!

  3. That dirty sneaker from a Weekers wants to thwart the trial because he knows very well that I am wrong. As far as I'm concerned, they tie him to the highest tree.

  4. And now we hope that the slimmerds from The Hague get the sails. One V66 will go on sale for the time being. If that fails then suspend or the angle grinder in it. Terrible sin of course but is no different.

  8. I am from the year 1982 and because my total income is only 1000- = Euri (AOW) per month, I am obliged to sell my "comfortable" 500 SEL (on GAS). 2200. = Euri Road Tax I obviously cannot cough up. This was my best asset until now along with my Mobility Scooter and Stairlift. Every now and then a day out together with our LIMO (our pet name). Cozier than together with the Scooters. I thought that the EU had come up with rules regarding Oldtimers. Do they not grant US (in the Netherlands) any rights? In conclusion: does anyone know a Buyer for the Car? Or will it be demolition. This last. Mr. Weekers will then send a wreath to the Scrapyard.

  9. No wonder the people flee our country (so-called
    emigrate) with a government that first promises everyone above the 18 thousand euros, forgets this and now almost 400.000 old-timer enthusiasts take away all the value of their old-timers?

  10. the whole government eats the ordinary man bald and takes everything you love even your oltimmer that you already have 35 years throw away those weekers but away that is worth nothing oh throw the whole cabinet but on the scrap

  12. Dear John. A decision is a decision with legal effect for the person to whom it is addressed, so that the person concerned has the right not to pay the aforementioned holding tax. A Wanderer zwerv105@live.nl
    please forward it

  13. Dear Jaap.
    A decision is a decision with legal effect for the person to whom it is addressed, thus means that the person has the right not to pay an assessment in this regard.
    please do as many box hours as possible.
    A Wanderer zwerv105@live.nl

  14. Last year we started a kite surfing school. What could be better than an old-timer fire brigade bus at the surf location.
    We just got smiling happy faces from the sight of our vehicle. Our investment can be reduced by at least 8000 euros in one fell swoop and can no longer be deployed due to the tax. Thanks Weekers, a great example of how you can turn a start-up entrepreneur with the aim of making things a little more fun in the Netherlands, with mismanagement from politics.

  15. Take a good look at these criminals.
    Am among all the 1000 euros behind the car.
    To expand.
    RDW.
    Various parts of IVM gas to diesel.
    A lot of strength with the case.

    brewer
    new

  17. what I worry most about is the fact that with my BMW ON LPG, THE CLEANEST ROW OF ALL, AND BE FINE FOR THIS> there in The Hague they just assume that an LPG driver by definition also lives -work traffic rider is. Most of the oldtimer lpg drivers are happy that they can drive a oldtimer precisely because of the lpg price. A car on LPG uses even more fuel than on petrol, but the liter price makes up for a lot. I myself have a car of 30 years old with a weight of almost 2.5 tons !! without LPG, I am going to sell this now, because LPG is no longer an option. THANK YOU TO DHR WEEKERS. It is time that Mr. WEEKERS also took lessons in motor technology.

    • Here you have a lesson in motor technology:

      - LPG has a higher octane number and is now more available than euro 98. Older engines often need a higher octane number. (no knock sensor and less accurate ignition)
      - LPG is the way to avoid the aggressive E10. Many gaskets in old engines cannot withstand the mandatory alcohol addition, which can lead to considerable damage.

  18. It goes without saying that politicians are unimaginative, visionless creatures. Hardly anything else, usually comes from civil service. Bleeker seems to be the worst of its kind, but the PvdA as such is very disappointing, as is politics as a whole.
    The measure against old-timers is just one of many that testifies to an, when it comes down to it, unreliable even indecent government. Reasonableness, fairness, logic, everything goes overboard in panic to conjure seemingly money from everywhere… Only in practice it turns out to be of no avail, on the contrary to cost money and to disrupt sectors of society and the economy. But when the damage is done, Bleekers and his associates have long since disappeared and, like many before them, they do not have to account for their failure. A downright embarrassing display.
    The only thing they achieve with the continuous release of their proof of inability is that the PVV will soon become the largest (protest) party.
    It is sad that in this way our country is being helped into damnation with the blunt ax and that in this case only the proceedings before the judge may still be able to assert the human dimension.
    It is amazing how well the gentlemen politicians know (to sell) in good times and how little they turn out to know and can do in times of crisis, and now fans of classics are suffering.

  19. Dear Wouter and cs, I have now had the gas tank removed from my beautiful MB 420se. On purpose when bought the car with cat. because of. environment. All actions are punished by Weekers for being the race representative of our unreliable government. Wouter I think it is really “great” that you do so much for us as real enthusiasts to confront this government with the real
    facts. You hold my support. Marc Polak

  20. I hope that sir or madam the judge in this case also has an 2CV or something in the garage at home.

    In addition, not a single judge will be charmed by the winding of Weekers: false information, putting off debt, thwarting proceedings (especially those!), But very coincidental tax control, etcetera.

  21. Gentlemen, good luck with this promotion and I will continue to support you to the bitter end.
    Fortunately for Weekers I have already sold my diesel, the loss was not too bad, but 10.000 Euro. (Car goes to Germany)
    For Weekers, that is peanuts, such amounts are written off by his department per hour.
    Not everyone can find a place for parking and suspension.

    So thanks to Weekers {3x}

  22. John

    For fun, I have COLLECTED many vintage cars over the years and currently have 4 oltimer cars and 3 oltimer engines
    - 2xmini 1000 `83 /` 85 this is going to be done before MBR are now suspended
    - mercedes 240TD `79 now suspended
    - peugeot 205 1.8 diesel `86 still drives (full blow)
    - 3 honda cx 500 `79 / 2X` 81 engines all suspended.
    In addition, I drive a volkswagen Volkswagen diesel for Private so I bring enough away so not with the prejudice that I am a user.

    THANKS ! MENEER WEEKERS (MAKES MORE KAPOT THAN ITS RETURNS) FOR THE (A) SOCIAL CONSIDERATION OF RULES FOR MONEY, under the guise of having to have money, where can I easily get the money for my friends from the VVD and PVDA,

    Wouter has a lot of success with the lawsuit and dismisses all arguments against our "friend Weekers".

    John

    • I even sent a message to Diederik Samson, to which I only received a meaningless standard answer in the vein of Unfortunately, many were abusing and you are now suffering!
      I'm completely done with PvdA

  24. A lot of success Wouter, we have purchased a 32-year-old oldtimer peugeot camper to enjoy a holiday. This way we can keep the holiday cheap and enjoy it, well that fun and cheap is now over with the decision of this (picking) government. The scheme they have adopted makes no sense, just show them where else can get money from. Having a hobby will soon become a misery for the very wealthy among us

  25. Suppose the case against the state is won. Where can all those companies that are on the bottle meanwhile submit their claim for damages? Have already sold a classic car with a huge loss. The second will soon also be out the door with a loss of thousands of euros. Both. Heavy 4×4 diesels. We still keep the VW convertible from '83. You should take a good look at how much money is NOT being spent on maintenance, materials. Insurance, VAT and excise duties etc. Believe that the government will miss out on hundreds of millions and that there will be a lot of unemployment in this industry. Good luck. I'm getting rid of my diesels. Don't have a shed. Even consider trading in our VW sharan diesel for a Prius. Just to bring as few euros as possible to the state.

  26. Had 3 Americans, of which 1 with LPG that has been sold with pain and a lot of loss far below the actual value …… .. car is now owned by a Frenchman. There still has to be one way and then I try to make do with the last remaining ones. Scoring is not an option for me, no storage.

  28. 2 cars over 40 years old but certainly support this action. Not only for all victims of fellow oldtimer owners. But certainly also for the companies that specialize in maintenance and parts for these cars, they also break down. This means that owners of oldtimers of 40 years and older will automatically be the victim.

  29. Great Wouter! Hope it will work! Many reactions in the meantime with which I completely agree; moreover, from “the crazy” that the government preaches “green” but fined environmentally-friendly (among others) oldtimers on LPG…

  30. The holidays and going out to dinner with our family will be canceled this year, the economy may well bear WEEKERS… .. That oldtimer will not go away or else it will, then I first let the diesel run in the ditch to emphasize that the measures you advocate have nothing to do with the environment. You just want our family money. The Netherlands is sick.
    Jan

  31. I am afraid that all this will be in vain. klote policy here in nl, how do you get a healthy country to the filesteinen. !!! now this government is doing well

  32. As a chronically ill person, I now have to pay taxes for my old-timer diesel 936 euro.
    I now have to pay 6,5% rent increase.
    I now have to buy a stairlift myself, not a refund of tax.
    I do not get a WMO indication because I am married so my husband has to do everything himself. Care, cooking food, wheelchair dependent, no medication reimbursed. Even from abroad and pay.
    And there is another rent increase on the shelf for this year.
    My savings are going up now so the municipality will have to pay my funeral.
    My pension is also broken due to the misdiagnosis of many doctors and specialists.
    I did it with this cabinet if I have to.
    Unheard of suffering.
    Lyme disease.

    The Greetings almost came out of the ribbon from Zeeland.

    • Would like to have the private address of weekers
      I was able to give my objection personally
      Pay for 3 cars and motorcycle road tax
      Have 4 vintage cars of which 2 now suddenly due to LPG 4600 euro
      Tax costs.

  34. With 3 suspended beautiful vintage cars, of which the damage cannot be calculated at the moment, I cannot help but support you. Good that there are people who want to resist this collective injustice. Continue to support you in the hope that they will be able to leave the shed again. Auke Andela

  35. That Susi vreter has more for those Bulgarians than us Dutch with a hobby. Suspend then, then you can no longer refuel fuel. it is all or nothing he thinks but no more taxes than just 5 days to an event ..

  36. Collectively you have to attract Weekers, because that fits better in the context of cutbacks …… You can also deduct those extra costs from those € 156 million. Hell, they are really going crazy in the courtyard now.

    Advantage for the government, by the time we have won everything there are new opeters in the courtyard and probably the old government with that nice financial arrangement at home (you can also partially deduct it again)

  37. Good luck gentlemen! I hope for a happy ending to still be able to enjoy my '77 Chevy Van, when it is finished after a total restoration! I will not give in, just like you!

  41. Great news! I'm glad we don't just take it all.
    We're going to win this case. My Marie, old vw, who has worked as a catering car for the police for years, is entitled to her well-earned pension!

  43. Proud that the true old-timer enthusiasts have achieved this. Even though I do not have to raise the state treasury as my vintage cars are older than 40year I support this action morally and financially

  44. I have a Mercedes 250TD
    I only got rid of it 2 weeks ago with some regrets, but the government is doing everything to destroy us, but we are going for it. Those weekers will feel them. How we feel Success with the lawsuit we hope we win the lawsuit.

  45. Incredible that such a Jan L # L as Weekers can still sit, and is also supported just because he "is in their party" If you have already shot so many bucks (excise increase that is counterproductive, Romanians who collect millions here And now lies about the figures and the expected proceeds of the MRB), then it is really high time that this man was put out of a board position forever, WITH his party members who support him!
    VERY MANY SUCCESS gentlemen, and hopefully not a soft GroenLinks judge or something, but one who looks at this with common sense!
    Hopefully I can get the 280se from '78 out of suspension, and this summer again - at most - a few thousand kilometers.

  46. Harrie and Riek 2 AOWers

    We AOWers have also put the LT35 in the garage and suspended it, they have put the fira's aside which costs hundreds of millions of money and has thrown away money
    the rest not to talk or speak.
    I have an out of speech
    DO NOT STEAL WAND GOVERNMENT DOES NOT DIFFERENT

  47. Good luck, dear guys, too, I continue to support you, because that whole political clique of liars and cheaters who only go out for their own profit and celebrate and distribute our tax money MUST go all the VVD clique and pvda followers and nsb friends pechtold and his support consorts.Bovenal must bumbling, mockery of a STATE SECRETARY Weekers, under whose leadership most of the allowance money has disappeared to non-existent foreigners of whom he supposedly knew nothing but had already been warned in advance by those officials who were not allowed to say anything, must immediately leave politics and may NEVER come back in again
    He is at the top of the list next to his sense of aging friend Jos van Reij who are busy making our country unbelievable.
    As said, good luck, and hope for a judge who does come from this planet, SUCCESS.

  48. Wouter, thanks for your persistence! I am convinced that my donations have been spent correctly. What I find the worst is that Weekers has destroyed a group of hardworking entrepreneurs. Frank Adegeest, Hulst. Proud owner of a totally restored Defender of 1985 with which 3000 Km is driven every year.

  49. Good thing, hopefully it will be successful. I have now suspended my Land Rover, they don't get 1800 Euro from me for a hobby car that I drive more in the field than on the public road. A brand like Land Rover is hit extra hard because it is mainly diesels.

  50. I also suspended my 1976 Country Squire Wagon (460 cui) because EUR 2.784, - for max. 2.500 km / year is simply unaffordable in addition to the many other tax cents to be paid. So I like to participate! Good luck,

  51. awesome ! I continue to support the thesis is still vd crazy that you should get rid of your property Dutch people get up and make yourself strong here in the Netherlands already snowed under SUPER !!!!!! NEWS

  52. Additional damage: confidence in politics was already minimal, has now completely disappeared. If the judge does not reverse this, the credibility of the entire government will be compromised. Wouter and consort: compliments! I continue to support you!

  53. Great that there are still people who stand up for us !!!!!!!!!!, it is antisocial that a minister who makes such blunders with his friends and destroying everything can just continue to go on. Wouter and your team a lot of success !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  54. We support the initiative and are very happy that the state is being summoned. The state can whistle at our road tax, meanwhile we have suspended our T3 to make a statement. Pay 1750 euro tax for less than 1800 km per year. From the fool.

  55. Good luck,

    I already had to get rid of 1 of my cars, a BMW 320/4 on gas, 147.000 km on the clock and in my possession for 10 years.
    is back to the “Heimat” where I left him.

    hopefully there is more hope for my other 2 oldtimers, and then also hope that they will do nix with oldtimer mopeds, because there are a few of them here.

    grt'n
    Hans

  56. no bart,
    You have to look at your license plate when it has hit the road. Example if it says 22-04-1980 then you have to count 3 months back, or 3 months ahead just as long as you arrive in the new year, then you will come to 22 January 2014 You must then pay road tax from that day

  57. You are our hope that this ridiculous measure will be reversed.
    Old-timer traders go bankrupt, old-timer owners have lost a fortune now that they have a worthless piece of tin on their doorstep.

    A government that is only busy emptying our pockets and then sponsoring the banks and Europe.

  58. I am not even paying for old-timers mrb, I have an old-timer myself I have so much money to repair and redecorate Now I have to throw away for a few cents That's injustice I'm just broken by the government

  63. One of the general principles of good administration is the principle of trust. So you have to be able to trust your government. In my opinion, that is not the case in this case.

  65. Unbelievable that the First Chamber is not doing its job, just doing it or hearing nothing, not intervening in the event of incorrect decisions, just shame on our constitutional state. Fortunately Wouter does his job and I would like to support you, do you?

    • Someone from Twente. I feel robbed and not taken seriously.
      Never vote again. Have lost a lot of money. Entire restoration
      has been for nothing. A 'capital' way.

      • No more votes would be stupid, vote for another party so that the VVD and the PVDA will be sidelined just like us in the next elections.
        Also come from Twente now go refuel in Germany in protest, they will earn nothing from me anymore.

  75. good luck i also support you. the 120 euro is not the problem, but it is the way in which it happens, pushing everything through the hague through our throat. Rutte had said so the car is not a dairy cow closely so it is. plus the fact that it is 30 all over Europe, well they want to participate in Europe and no distinction between LPG diesel or gasoline.

  79. I have invested a lot in my oldtimers based on commitments. You can't just take it away again. Challenge that trade and compensate for the damage I am now suffering with this.
    Down with the tyrant

  81. It should not be allowed to just implement this rule,
    In any case NOT in the way that our jellyfish of a Weekers has conceived.

    Nice that this foundation is there, and is trying to make something of it!

  86. A lot of success men and all their shoulders and let's hope and thumbs for a good outcome but we are not nearly there yet so much strength

  87. Jan Pieter Biesma has already placed the question here.
    Where I am also very curious about the answer.
    Dussss what about submitting a (separate) objection to the tax authorities…. Is there a standard letter? And for which dates must this be submitted ???

  90. well done also thank you auto motor klassiek and technology that have been busy from the beginning to inform everyone and stood behind us, that is why I treated myself to a subscription on your magazine keep it up

  95. Very good lovers, let's make another game, perhaps for the one who now has to eat dry bread, because of this nauseous misstep by our exemplary officials, 38 for, 37 against, that says more than enough

  101. Thank you for your enormous dedication and for not giving up the courage and fighting for what you stand for and we will leave them all behind, in front of and beside you

  104. Cool…. And we will continue to support you Wouter ..! Hope that the final decision will also give new donors the final push to donate. Donating does not stop at the beginning but only at the end of the process. Go get them

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