A large-scale national campaign will most likely be held next Monday from the broad old-timer supporters. This action is - of course - part of persuading the Senate to vote against the proposed increase in the exemption limit to 2014 years during the plenary discussion of the 40 Tax Plan. Classic car owners will leave from various parts of the country to eventually come to a grand gathering. The place of the final vote is then of course The Hague.
Procrastination
Yesterday, State Secretary Weekers rejected the Pvda request initiated by Team Exemptionoldtimer to lower the MRB exemption limit for old-timers to 30 year. The State Secretary also rejected the postponement of the proposed scheme by one year.
Deadline
In recent days, initiatives have emerged via various social media, including Facebook, for participating in protests. The condition for this was that by December 13 there would not be any good news regarding the scrapping of the 40-year compromise. After Weekers' rejection, the Dutch classic car owners are therefore preparing for demonstrations. Oldtimer owners who do not have the opportunity to drive to The Hague have also been called upon to use their valuable possessions as much as possible on Monday, for example for commuting to and from work.
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ILLUMINATED, BOTTLED, OR JUST DAMAGED
Marthen Luther King had a dream. I also have / had a dream. My dream is an old Jaguar black with double headlights and chrome, lots of chrome. For years I can dream away from the thought that I can and will realize my dream after my retirement. In 2009 the time has come. I will actually retire in June 2009. Finally I can make my dream come true. In the weekends I look for an “Oldtimer”. Eventually I ended up at the Jaguar Specialist in Holten. There is a black Jaguar with lots of chrome and double headlights as I imagined. It is even possible to cover the wheel arches with chrome. After a few test drives in other Jaguars, I remain focused on that one black Jaguar. I therefore decide to buy this one and on August 18, 2009 I sign the purchase agreement. However, work will still have to be carried out to make the car ready for use. I am also told that the gearbox has been overhauled. The purchase agreement states that all newly overhauled engines and gearboxes have a 1 year warranty. On August 20, 2009 I pay € 7.000 and on December 20, 2009, on delivery, the remaining € 7.000. During the preparation of the car, on the advice of the seller, a gas system was installed and the front springs and the woodwork were replaced, all functions checked, the engine was spoiled, and many other small things. I have not been told by word that the heater, the air conditioning and the cruise control are not working, the rear window heating is broken and the handbrake does not work. You almost never use it is said (afterwards important for the APK) so I should have known. Now it becomes clear to me why the purchase agreement states: “Furthermore, we do not give any guarantee on the operation of cruise and climate control unless universal cruise control is / has been built in and whether the air conditioning has undergone a retrofit”. I assumed that when I buy a used car from a specialized garage, they will not only tell me the good properties but also what is wrong with the car. Result: I pay for all the flaws. These repairs have been carried out at my expense, except for the rear window heating. In retrospect, I did not buy an old-timer but a money-devouring object and a moving coffin and I will substantiate this.
I have been back to the garage several times since the fuel gauge was not working properly and is still not working properly. Since I only use the car in the weekends, I always indicated when I wanted to use the car. In my eyes, the garage gets enough time to remedy the defects. It can be concluded from the purchase agreement that there are almost four months between purchase (18augustus 2009) and delivery (20 December 2009). In my eyes enough time to get things done. Then the real misery begins. One evening I come to stop at Zwolle. In the middle of an exit. All the indicator lights of my gas installation are green. Make sure there is enough gas. First let the car run down, then call the ANWB. It drags me away because of the dangerous place where I am. He can't find anything. Measured everything and the engineer cannot find anything that could be broken because it is a new installation. Everything should be okay but I can no longer run on gas. Switch to gasoline and then go home. Next day to the garage that also cannot solve the problem and forwards me to Arnhem where the installation is installed. Now I realize that I am the client and that the garage needs to solve this problem and not me. Along the way, the windows open spontaneously and no longer close, and that on a chilly rainy day. The installation is checked and it appears that the float has stuck. No sorry, nothing. One day I drive to Amsterdam and see a blue plume of smoke behind my car and after a few kilometers it is gone again. I check my oil level every time I make a trip. Had thrown a little too much oil in the morning and thought that is the excess oil that burns. When I return from Amsterdam I stop at the top of the Holten / Lochem exit of the A1. Cannot move forward or backward. In the middle of an intersection. Can you imagine how I feel? Fortunately there is not too much traffic. Call the garage that drags me away. Then it appears that the gearbox is broken. Oil leakage due to poor assembly? I can't prove it, but it's not kosher. Despite having an 1 year warranty, I still have to pay half of the repair. About € 2.000. I have adhered to the terms and conditions of 01 / 01 / 06 that have been handed to me. Easy driving, no oil from the supermarket etc, etc .. Oil and water level always checked on every trip. Even on the road I regularly check. During one of my visits to Amsterdam, the back of the car bumps again and again on the ground as it passes one of the many traffic obstacles. Especially if you drive over the canals. When I spoke about this, I was told that the rear springs are too weak for the built-in gas installation. You also know that when you install the gas installation. Then it also appears that instead of two springs four springs need to be replaced. One feather can easily cost € 450, - excluding wages. Do not just call about the amount of the bill and whether it will end up like this at the end of the month and why is that not stated during the installation of the gas installation that the suspension is too weak? Am I the "specialist"? On a Sunday, when inflating the rear tires, both valves break off spontaneously. I regularly have to call in the help of the ANWB. On a trip to Friesland, the car stops at Drachten and must be repatriated. A lot of hassle. Hours then wait with the train back and a weekend messed up. I don't even tell my girlfriend this incident because he absolutely doesn't want to be in the Jaguar anymore. The ANWB will no longer get the car working. The distributor cap appears to be full of cracks and half rusted. What is called motorized pampering and checking all functions repair as stated in the purchase agreement of the car. Can you imagine that I am now seriously questioning that. It is even so bad that my friends / collectors and / or acquaintances no longer want to ride in the Jaguar since the car spontaneously gives up anywhere, the stove spontaneously burns or the engine starts to explode. No fun at an outside temperature of 28 ° C if the stove stays on. My family, friends / collectors and acquaintances have already canceled their trust in the Jaguar. I still believe in it myself. Maybe against better judgment. It is difficult to admit that you have bought a cat in the bag. Whether I'm driving on the highway or a secondary road, I always have to keep in mind that the car stops spontaneously or doesn't want to continue on gas. In the meantime, the bill for repairs and labor has risen considerably. Drinking coffee again and again and the car will then be in the garage for a longer period of time. If only you shouldn't have said you are in no hurry.
After a visit to The Hague, on the way back at Leusden, the car comes to the fore on 12 February 2013. I call in the help of the KNAC as I have been informed by the ANWB that I have to make too much use of their services and that I have to take the costs of help for my own account the rest of the year. That aside but it causes a lot of inconvenience and annoyance and also means that you use the Jaguar less and less. The car is towed to a gas station in the area. However, the engineer cannot do anything. Both engines are no longer available. The Jaguar has an 12 cylinder engine and both engines cannot be started. Recovery company Logicx is used to repatriate the car again. Then it appears that the box beams of the car are completely rotten and the man has trouble fixing the tires to lift the car without pulling the Jaguar into two pieces. But not only the box beams, but also the mudguards, the doors and the entire underside are rusted through rotten. Has this never been seen when the exhaust was replaced, still a nice repair of at least around € 2.000, or during the anti-rust / dinitrol treatment? After research in the garage it appears that the gaskets are leaky. No warning light has come on. Nor that of the oil or water level. They indicated the normal values. Moreover, the temperature did not rise. The cost of another engine has been estimated at € 2.500 on top of that, if all goes well, about 40 hours of labor. But then everything must be fine too. The owner of "The Garage" says that he is upset with this case but has only responded to this day when I start to squeak. A big difference with my own garage. That calls me when the costs rise and parts that are replaced are in the trunk. Do you think I have seen any part that has been replaced? Never, no front springs, no rear springs, no gas tank. NOTHING. Then to think that the same garage that did all the repairs MAYBE still want to pay € 1.000 for this wreck. A real coffin is probably cheaper, but still. As previously written. If I don't beep, nothing happens. If I send an e-mail, I receive a telephone answer that either the technician has been ill, or has a day off, or that there is a lot of work or a tape that the company is closed due to holidays. I also get an e-mail when I have been beating again in which the owner of “The Garage” writes: I quote: I think I have a suitable solution, and therefore I have spoken to you several times, after returning from my short vacation . Please note. He thinks he has a suitable solution. I will not respond to my repeated requests to put things on paper. Also not the price tag attached. You can assume that I will ultimately have to pay the costs of the repair myself and that he wants to get rid of it without too much trouble. I am, however, invited to come and drink a cup of coffee and to discuss all this among each other as big boys. Since 2009 I no longer believe in fairy tales, but in concrete solutions on paper and certainly no longer in the JAGUAR SPECIALIST calling itself “The Garage” that can compete with both the hare of the sixties and will beat it with flying colors. We are now almost a year later and you think I once heard from the man again. So no.
As a customer, I feel cheated and cheated, even scammed. I kindly ask you to inform me of the steps I can take to recover my hard-earned money and to compensate for the damage suffered.
With regards
Charles E. Heerze
Charles E. Heerze
charlesheerze@aim.com
The Netherlands has become a poor country. Thanks to men like a Balkenende who was already an example of mediocrity. We don't have real politicians anymore. No politicians with a clear vision. And certainly no liberal politicians. Indeed, have a look in Poland. There, the economy is running wild, building and trading is taking place. Gone are the days when they rode a gnarled Gulf that they had bought in the west. Now you cannot afford anything in our nasty country with an average income after you have paid the BPM, VAT and all other taxes. There are taxes on the water, the energy bill is 21 percent too high, your insurance package is 21 percent too expensive.
And still too few people are aware of the fact that everything that The Hague takes away from retailers ultimately has to be paid for by the consumer. It is a farce that Smit Kroes is pushing for lower prices in the telecom world. She should talk to her ex-colleagues who have stolen 38 BILLION euros for air from the telecom companies. Just to name a few.
In response to the beautiful Mercedes Eduard; just got back from Austria, when you see what is driving there and in Germany by road and you come back here in NL you think that this is the poorest country by now with all those poor little Jappanertjes ... Even the Poles, Romanians and Czechs are already driving nicer cars than we do ... All thanks to those extractors there in THE HAGUE.
only now do I understand your question if I am traveling with you, so I did not know. do you already know this, yes probably http://www.vrijstellingoldtimer.nl You have to join in and something can be achieved.
Don't be too fast with your so-called '' Turkenbakken '', a very large part of the cars in the category you mention are ridden by the '' campers ''.
Furthermore, there are many Mercedes driving around in which often people of foreign origin drive, but that are definitely not mainly the '' Turks '', the majority may be Moroccan, but there are also a lot of Dutch people driving in them, more than you think 😉
I am a Golf 2 enthusiast, but then also really the old Golfs, I am / will become the owner of a Golf 2 8v GTI from 1983, one of the first produced, for which I would happily pay the quarterly rate to keep it.
Don't be too quick with prejudices with your '' Turks '' ...
The chaos is great thanks to this Randdebiel Weekers. Perhaps it helps to create a different chaos by driving as many cars as possible to The Hague to jeer at this political dwarf. If there are enough old-timers on the road, it might be an idea to even remove the license plates. That will then be a difficult job for all service knockers who, incidentally, only seem to "work" for the tax authorities.
My beautiful t3 is just not able to come, but I am! I will report to Esso on the A13, assume that there is a place left somewhere! :-)
They are called flat at the tax authorities and they don't know what to do anymore. RDW is almost everywhere fully booked due to LPG expansion re-inspection, so that will no longer be possible before January 1. What a madhouse. Banana Republic? Hope for a sensible decision by the Senate, so eg European regulations. A strong protest does make sense. Much strength everyone.
My 32 year old oldtimer, Renault Alpine, is in any case suspended.
Green gas will never burn completely in the engine, whatever engine the solution is there for the particulate matter, but the 1 chamber and 2 chamber do not want to know about that, they give liver supzidie for new car that emits a lot of particulate matter engine will never burn completely to that the 1 room and the 2 room do not want the polluter is in 1 room 2 room that never change
If 1st room does not correct, we will notify all who can direct the vehicle suspension. If we also ask the insurance companies to pass on insurance for our pets, they may also receive a response. I myself am already fed up with the administrative hassle it will give me, but let's also involve the tax and insurance companies in this! As little money as possible to the state.
I hope that everyone who can go to The Hague next Monday, the bigger the mess the better. Unfortunately I received the protest message too late: the car is already in storage.
I also received a letter from the WB only it does not say what I have to pay ????? Nothing so I assume. Brussels is so important to the gentlemen in The Hague. Well, all of Europe has 30 years as the age for Oldtimers, why don't they stick to it in the Netherlands, maybe we should complain in Brussels, Rutte is called to the mat and this time he can send Weekers home for good after his umpteenth blunder. Stay away from our cars!
Much like andre I also ascona is free and have 2 more for which together pay 300 eu leave me oldtimer alone for those 3000km per year hahahahah
The Motorcyclists Action Group (MAG) supports the protest ride and calls on motorcyclists to join at one of the meeting points mentioned.
Hmm.ff charge the battery, check tire pressure, refuel and then I'm ready.
Tax has been paid for my car for 25 years, I drive less than 2000 km per year, what do I pollute? against people who drive 30.000 km a year with their normal car, and what does it contribute, what they want now nothing at all. If it really is about pollution, why don't they take the load off the car gas, gas is very clean. The environment is just a shit excuse.
We can go to the high court with all of them, but to the action of the hague on December 16 and then all the time to the high court straight to his pants it is about the money and not the interest of the car and the man but his head in for money what will weekers do with it hahaha continue to do do you should not fall get up and stand up for your right and fellow man this is how we do that together we are strong. It also smelled very blunt for years and that has also gone to the high court look 3a4 years but then we delay again and then europe it is like this 25 a35 for the oldtimer s amder must be softer but step down this is me story eg thank the oldtimer enthusiast
to me it is just as thousands of euros in a car and if you drive 1500 km on an annual basis, it is a lot of pranks
And if we all do not pay, but really all what are they going to do or suspend all cars so that they really do not get a cent extra.
Yes, we will not be able to drive for a year, but it costs nothing.
In any case, I am thinking about not paying and then provoking a lawsuit.
I drive with an E Kadett from 88 that I have had for 16 years and I only drive on weekends when the weather is nice, but I have already paid full road tax for 16 years.
And then he's almost WB free, we get this again.
I have already received 6 letters from the tax authorities uncle from my old Japanese motorcycles, which are worth less than the tax that has to be paid. I don't drive it much. Incomprehensible that politicians should be even more holy than the Pope with their 40 years instead of the 30 years of Brussels. What do we motorcycle enthusiasts have to do with those old Mercedes and Volvos? Protesting at the Binnenhof is the only solution here. Let's hope the 1st room points the plan to the trash.
We are present !!!! Boys come alone !!! We go for it !!! Let them know they can't go too far !!!
To let the protest action run in an orderly manner and from various regions en bloc
are meeting points, departure times and stops in various parts of the country
recorded. The scheme is as follows:
Northern Netherlands: Groningen / Drenthe
The participants from the north of the country gather at the Panjerd gas station
the A28 near Zuidwolde. The collection time is set at 9.15 am. There
will be stopped at 10.00 am at the Shell petrol station in Wezep, on the A28. Over there
participants from the wider area of Zwolle can join. From there
drove on to The Hague.
Friesland
The Frisian participants gather at the Monument on the Afsluitdijk. It
time is 10.00 am
Noord-Holland
A start will be made in Enkhuizen in Noord Holland at 9.15 am at the BP
station. You can also gather at the McDonalds in Hoorn, located near the A7. From there
departure takes place at 9.45 am. The next gathering place is the last
gas station for the Coentunnel. That is on the A8 near Zaandam. The time of
departure is set at 10.30:XNUMX am. It is the last place of departure in North Holland
bridge restaurant near Hoofddorp. From there, departure takes place at approximately 11.00:XNUMX AM
Utrecht
Shellstation Hellevliet near Harmelen / Woerden has been designated for the Utrecht region
assembly point, where the participant must be present at 11:00 am. At 11:30 am
is left for The Hague
Pernis / Rotterdam region
The departure location for participants from the Pernis / Rotterdam area is the
Nieuwendijk established. Time of collection: 10.00-10.15 am. Time of
departure: 10.30am / 11.00am. Then go to Esso Roc Ruyven gas station on the
A13 driven. The start signal for the last stage will be given at 11.30 am
towards The Hague.
Any questions can be asked at e-mail address: …………@hotmail.com
Zeeland
For the Zeeland old-timer enthusiast, the schedule is as follows:
• Meeting and departure point at Terneuzen bus station. Departure between 07:45 and 08:00.
Be present some time in advance.
• Meeting and departure point Vliedberg Total Goes Rijksweg 100 's Heerarendskerke.
Departure is at 08:35. Be present some time in advance.
• Collection and departure point Bergen op zoom Canadaweg. Collect 09:05 AM. Leave
09:10. Be present some time in advance.
• Meeting and departure point Texaco Mijnsheerenland on the A29. Departure between 09:40
at 09:50.
Be present some time in advance.
• Gathering and departure point Pernis Nieuwedijk. Meet at 10:05 AM. Departure:
10:30/11:00
• Esso Roc Ruyven A13 Pynacker Meet at 10:45 am. Departure 11:00 am 11:30 am.
Limburg / North Brabant
The following schedule has been drawn up for the participants from Limburg / Noord-Brabant. The
congregation is Best. Place of performance is McDonalds located on the
Eindhovenseweg Zuid 59. Time of departure is 08:30 am. After this is stopped and
further collected at McDonalds at 48 Burgemeester Burgerslaan in Rosmalen.
From there, the journey continues at 09:30.
arrival is planned at 12 o'clock in the hague. we gather at the louwman car museum in the parking lot opposite the museum.
Leidsestraatweg 57
in case of problems we divert to the Leidsche Hagen shopping center, which is the center for the tomtom
REQUEST FOR EVERYONE TO ATTEND THE HAND-OVER OF THE PETITION BY WOUTER AT THE BINNEHOF, this will take place at a quarter to 6 and will be recorded by the heart of the Netherlands.
if wouter van de emden stands alone at the court, then he looks nice in his shirt .. all the effort on his part FOR US obliges us to support him a bit at that moment.
we go for it, behave properly, obey the law, and read the following link carefully. !
http://www.nationaleombudsman.nl/sites/default/files/rapport2007-290.pdf
I will be there on Monday and Herman I have already received the letter, but what do you have to lose, so come to The Hague on Monday.
Have you already received your tax return, what can you do against bureaucrats? They just don't have feelings, only numbers. I can take the Turks off the road, but they let us get the Chestnuts out of the fire and are already laughing three strokes in the Tour! Too bad, but WHERE !!!!!!!!!
I think it will be busy on the road Monday.
Should it still go through Weekers' stupid plans, then I suggest we suspend the car and all buy an old engine.
tax return is subject to approval of the law by the 2nd and 1st chamber
respect from belgium (rudycaddy)
I say go for it!!!