Panacea in the engine oil: PTFE and zinc

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It is very important to us to pamper our bikes. But of course we also sometimes dream of magic potions with which we can bypass a block revision. Or prevent. Then we arrive at the shadowy path of the bottles, cans and flasks with magic potions. The panacea in the engine oil

You come a long way with it

That's how we once drove a dead tired Alfasud which in the end only ran on additives. And do you know what happened? The camshaft broke… But that was entirely my own fault.

Little added value

Experts agree that later additions to engine oil have little added value when an engine is just in good condition. They assume that there is little room for improvement in the oil as offered by renowned manufacturers. The 'ex-factory' additions are tailored to use in the power source of a classic. The exquisite range of additives that the plant blended with the oil provides properties per additive or a synergy of properties that reinforce each other's effect. Disrupting the balance between those agents can reduce the properties of the oil. Just think basic: a little salt makes the frits tastier. A pound of salt does not make them much tastier anymore.

The approach to load all providers of 'oil improvers' into a shopping cart went wrong. There are too many providers for our budget. There are even different brands that come from the same manufacturer.

That is why we started to group the case together. We looked at oil additives that fell into the same group, had the same basic ingredients and made the same promises.

We came to the following distinction in types:

1. Liquids based on mineral oils (with the corresponding standard additives plus PTFE. And PTFE is the species name of the products for which DuPont has registered the brand name 'Teflon'. And PTFE means: polytetrafluoroethylene, PTFE is an 'plastic' with an extremely low friction coefficient, a solid.
2. Products consisting of the above-mentioned normal mineral oil with the standard additives plus zinc diakyldithiophosphate (or zinc diaryldithiophosphate), known as 'zinc' as an additional addition.

  1. Products that - as far as we could tell - have the same additives as standard engine oils. But in different proportions and combinations.
    4. Products that mainly consist of solvents and cleaning agents.

 

PTFE, or if it comes from DuPont "Teflon"

The most sold oil additives are currently those in which PTFE powder is mixed with ordinary, say high-quality, mineral or synthetic motor oil. Slick 50 is the biggest player in this segment. Some of the names we found were: Slick 50, QMI, Lubrilon, Microlon, Petrolon, Matrix (from the same company that also makes Slick 50). A search on the Internet resulted in a much larger number of providers. And usually they also want to deliver in the Netherlands. Simply by mail.

 

No sensible addition

The PTFE is given to these suppliers as the only additional working ingredient. This series of products has built up a serious reputation within car and motorcycle riders. But there have also been people with a more critical attitude. The inventor of the product, the American chemical giant DuPont, once explicitly reported that: "Teflon is not a sensible oil additive or lubricant for combustion engines". The company therefore refused to resell Teflon as such.

When DuPont stopped the delivery of PTFE powder to the additive makers, a number of them sought refuge elsewhere. They bought their PTFE powder in other countries and disguised that approach by mentioning the addition with fantasy names on the label. But it just remained PTFE. The stories about the larger 'flake size' of the non-DuPont PTFE powders also date from that time. Those larger particles would 'sag' more easily and cause blockages in filters and channels.

No real drawbacks

 

After a number of court cases, DuPont had to admit that PTFE also had no clearly identifiable disadvantages when used in combustion engines. The company had to resume the delivery of PTFE powders to the aforementioned manufacturers of additional lubricants. The makers of the lubricant additives immediately claimed that the judges had proven that their approach worked. While the ruling was in fact only that the harmfulness of PTFE as an addition was not proven.

Shake before use

When purchasing a PTFE-bearing additive, there is a very easy guideline in that case: if the packaging states that the product must first be shaken, the added PTFE particles apparently tend to sink to the bottom. And if they do that in the bottle, then they will probably do the same in a usually little used classic.

 

Because PTFE is a solid. The additive makers claim that it is precisely those solid particles that leave the protective layer on the metal treads. There is no conclusive scientific evidence for that yet. But it seems to us that the PTFE that has to be deposited precisely at the places that are most heavily loaded in the engine, must still be able to settle easily at the quieter places in the block. Like in the oil canals. Even NASA tests pointed in that direction.

 

That is opposed to the claim made by a number of manufacturers

They say that their PTFE is ground so finely that it remains in solution and passes through all oil channels and filters. That sounds good and can be true. But then we just have to hope that those manufacturers have taken into account that PTFE expands a lot when heated.

Laboratory tests in America have proven that in some suppliers the growth of the PTFE particles is so great in practice that the particles apparently partially remained behind in the filters at the operating temperature of the engine. Only QMI informs that the PTFE particles in their product are so small that they remain in circulation until they precipitate at their workplace. QMI also had clearer references to monitor the use and results of their product.

The newest panacea: zinc

In recent years there has been a product that PTFE wants to take the lead: zinc. Well, actually "zinc dialkyldithiophosphate" or "zinc diaryldithiophosphate". The representatives of this trend claim much better results than the colleagues from the PTFE corner can deliver. They do the opposite, by the way.

 

Zinc has been a component of ordinary motor oils for years

A percentage of 0,1 is common with standard oil types. With oil for higher taxes that can amount to 0,2 volume percent. First, those percentages were higher. But after there were claims about defective catalysts, the oil manufacturers lowered the values. But luckily we drive classic.

 

Organic zinc compounds are used because they provide better protection against wear under high pressures. Think of engines that run at very high speeds and turbo compressors. The zinc only does its protective work when metallic contact occurs in the engine block. And that should never happen under normal circumstances. But when someone likes to regularly run out their rev counter needle in the red area, the zinc can save it there.

 

Means that are 'zinc-containing' are easy to recognize

There is a warning sticker on it because, for example, the "zinc dialkyldithiophosphate" and "zinc diaryldithiophosphate" can cause eye damage. Always wear safety goggles and gloves when handling liquids that may be harmful to health in any way. Also ensure good ventilation.

 

Solvents and cleaning agents

We often find these agents in the older generations of oil additives. Block pollution was much more common at the time. They are usually based on cleaning agents and solvents that remove sludge ('mayonnaise'), varnish and carbon deposits from the block. In fact, they do the opposite of what the 'new' agents such as PTFE and zinc do. They don't leave a nice layer, they just remove dirt. The famous Wynn's Friction Proofing, for example, consists of 83% kerosene. And kerosene is very close to petroleum in terms of family ties. Other brands consist in part of naphthalene, xylene, acetone or isopropanol. These are aggressive substances with a risk of eye contact and inhalation.

However, if the dosage is too large, they will not only remove the dirt, but also the lubricating oil layer. But used with cars from the fifties and sixties, they can be of use to 'clean up' the case once. With more recent engines, their operation is too gross and possibly ruinous.

 

A cautious conclusion

The engines of our classics are at least 25 years young. In the meantime, lubrication systems including filtering, materials and tolerances have been improved to such an extent that the comparison between an Opel Rekord 1900 cc pushrod block engine and a three-cylinder 1000 cc turbo with 220 hp just cannot be made. But perhaps that is precisely the reason that there are a fair number of classic drivers who swear by these types of products from their own experience. And why not? AMK has another addition in mind. A product of which the makers proudly claim that it is based purely on mineral oil and which we were drawn to by a satisfied user. We will come back with a story about - among other things - TSL. At first we have already seen that it contains a fairly high zinc percentage. And then there was also Xado from former Ukrainian army laboratories. That drug really does promise miracles. But we never got an answer to our letter from them ...

Known for the television spots ...

Engine manufacturer Briggs & Stratton was unknowingly the supplier of a number of those demo engines from the TV spots from a while ago. Those soups with an American accent so often FANTASTIC! And INCREDIBLE !!!! Was called. They became curious and did the same test under laboratory conditions.

It turned out that the engine that had been treated with the product 'X' was indeed still running without oil for a long time. Just like the engine that also ran dry without ever having used a panacea. Later measurements showed that both engines had suffered considerably from the experiment.

PTFE

 

 

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5 comments

  1. Remarkable what is written about oil. Oils often become astronomically expensive. My faithful Blauwtje has been the subject of experiments throughout his life, including oil. Even with 10W40, it didn't fail in the hot summers. Even better, for work where the cylinders had to be removed for a while, I preventively replaced the connecting rod bearing shells. No trace of misery. During the tests, the Lidl's 15W40 oil was also discussed. Blauwtje was actually the best on that oil. The bearing shells showed that that budget 15W40 is just good stuff. And believe me, Blauwtje gets very hot because of his swollen muscles! Oil is highly taxed by him.

    The best thing is that in a central blender and filler, that Budget oil was simply filled together with other excuse brands from one and the same barrel. I fear that in the oil world we are often taken a bit by the nose. You can never be bumped by the expensive brands. They are all excellent oils. So, in that sense, those greasy juices are well worth their money. So my own experience.

  2. I myself drive an old Volvo from the 60s, I always add TSL to the engine oil, this makes my engine run a bit more quietly ... about 750 rpm idle, I also notice that the oil darkens much less quickly, so I find it's a good addition. My engine has been overhauled and has now driven about 75.000 km.

  3. It was once again difficult to read an article, no matter how critical it was about adding a Teflon-containing product. I have been using this for 35 years in motor sport and professionally with my vintage cars. I use it when mounting the engines to avoid start-up damage and we have never had any problems with this on the contrary. My experience and especially with Nulon from Australia, which is not mentioned here, is only positive and good results. I have personally been there during experiments. I believe in it but also say that if a car is sufficiently maintained and the oil and filter is replaced a lot, it can last a long time without additives. The additions help very well if it is already worn out.

  4. First of all, congratulations on this beautiful piece about oil additives and panacea!
    I come across a lot of things from my work and from experience with panacea, additions to an oil.
    In some cases it can be a means to be able to work with a gearbox for example if it needs to be overhauled if there is no time for that; a kind of emergency solution.
    Now I have come into contact with practice boys who make a special "nano oil", this oil is sold under the name Longbridge, or Dex.
    This oil contains so-called nanoparticles that would significantly reduce friction; well, and that's true! A number of customers and I clearly notice a difference with this oil.
    I think this is recommended. There are no particles in this oil. Particles should not be in a lubricant, that seems clear to me!
    I hope to contribute something with this piece.
    I also have an old-timer and the company cars; this oil is also there.

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